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I have a nightmare

29 April 2014 · by  Fr. Ernesto 11 Comments

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Orania is a town in South Africa built by and for the Afrikaner people. Every tradition and tribe has a right to self determination and cultural survival. The Afrikaner people are a devoutly Christian people with a unique culture, language, and ethnicity that has a fundamental right to survive and thrive. Working peacefully next door to various African tribes who are seeking their own self determination, Orania gives us a dream of a future here on the North American continent. Onward Orania, a model to us all. –MH

The image above and the paragraph was posted yesterday on the Facebook page of the Traditionalist Youth Network. I have some serious questions about their presentation of history, as the Afrikaners are the Dutch descended folk who built the apartheid system of South Africa. Their system was not one of separate equalities, but rather one of clear control by whites over all “colored.” The system was so unequal that the Dutch Reformed Church was considered a pariah by various of their sister churches. The post above is but one of various posts by this organization based in Bloomington, IN. Three days ago they posted:

In the event that I should renounce my U.S. citizenship and expatriate, I would probably choose somewhere that comes under the authority of the British Crown. Where you or I decide to expatriate is not important, but what is important is knowing that we are doing it for the purpose of uniting the worldwide diaspora of White people in defense of shared values, and to make an organized military and social resistance to the Forces of World Subversion.

And, then, there is the photograph below, taken during one of their counter-demonstrations and posted three days ago on their Facebook page. I have no objections to counter-demonstrations. In this country we have the wonder of freedom of speech. And, we are allowed to mount a self-defense. But, to be proud and boastful of engaging in self-defense makes me groan a little. Now, I say this as a veteran. I say this as a person who would prefer peace, but recognizes that in this world, God does allow the less-than-perfect path. But, as I have quoted the OCA before, we should never approve of war or violence. We should only recognize unfortunate necessities in this fallen world. I suspect that they would agree with me in principle, but the photograph below shows that the attitudes and behaviors are far from that principle.

Photo: When you come and attack Trad Youth while we are peacefully demonstrating, make sure you can end the fight before you start it.

What troubles me even more is that they are proudly Eastern Orthodox. They are members of a parish that belongs to a jurisdiction that is part of and recognized by the Episcopal Assembly. One of the co-founders and three others of the main people involved were received into Orthodoxy toward the end of 2013. And, yet, they continue to post very pro-White messages on their Facebook page. No, they do not post overtly anti-other ethnic group messages. Nevertheless, if one looks through their website and Facebook page, one finds direct links to more toxic groups. Also, if one continues to read, one encounters messages very much in favor of each ethnic group being able to maintain its cultural identity, and encouraging people to marry within their ethnic group to preserve that identity and keep each ethnicity separate and clearly identifiable. This is clear code language. As recently as July 2013, one of the co-founders said:

This is our home and our kith and kin. Borders matter, identity matters, blood matters, libertarians and their capitalism can move to Somalia if they want to live without rules, in the West we must have standards and enforce them. The “freedom” for other races to move freely into white nations is nonexistent. Stay in your own nations, we don’t want you here.

I always rejoice when people become Orthodox. But, I do expect at least certain changes. Given that the same code words are being used on the TYN Facebook page, as recently as 48 hours ago, as were being used before conversion, I have some serious questions for the priest in charge of that parish. That priest has been contacted directly by more than one other priest. In reply, his parish has posted on the parish’s webpage that they are against racism, etc., but that this is a private pastoral matter involving spiritual direction and the privacy of the confessional. Normally, I would agree with that priest. I have met him. I knew his father from back when he was a little child. But, I think he is making a serious mistake.

The privacy of spiritual direction would normally be a winner, if the posts had stopped. But, the problem is that the people involved are national figures and were closely associated with the white nationalist network. They made some clear public statements. Worse, they continue to make public statements that–while they are less virulent than the previous statements—still involve a large degree of code language. Thus, the reason the parish has received enough contacts that they had to post their disclaimer is that the public postings go on and on. The priest may claim that he is dealing with the issues, but the statements go on and on. Thus, unwittingly, the priest is giving a type of indirect approval for the philosophies that are being espoused. The fact of the disclaimer shows that the priest is aware of the difficulties caused by the TYN statements.

There is no private spiritual direction while public statements continue to be made. Had the four people involved gone silent for a time, I would have fully and totally supported the priest. I do not believe that people who change their minds need to engage in paroxysms of public self-flagellation. That type of public shaming is neither Christian nor productive. But, they did not remain silent, so I cannot support the priest in his decisions. There is no private spiritual direction while public statements continue to be made, especially not on this type of subject.

And, so, as I posted in the title, I have a nightmare. The nightmare is that the TYN opinions may become seen as allowable Orthodox opinions. I hope that their parish priest will request silence from them for a while, while they mature in the faith. I fear that he will not.

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  1. Jennifer Barefoot McCoy says

    29 April 2014 at 22:58

    Thank you! That picture is so upsetting. The Holy Cross should never ever be a weapon against a human person.

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  2. John says

    30 April 2014 at 00:41

    Because it is scandal the priest is less free than he might have been to handle spiritual illness with Economia. Unless Antiochian Orthodoxy (of which I am a part) wishes to become identified with bigotry and spiritual disease. We should never take the part of despite.

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  3. Fr. Greg Blevins says

    30 April 2014 at 11:46

    It is unfortunate enough that this sort of thing emanates from Orthodoxy in Eastern Europe and Asia. However, here in the United States, that “city set on the hill”, Orthodoxy must embrace its most true and deepest values. It must rediscover its CATHOLICITY and proclaim without hesitation or apology the WHOLE faith which is for ALL people of EVERY time and place and that according to this Faith, ALL people, regardless of ethnicity, socioeconomic status, or gender are “one in Christ Jesus”.

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  4. dimitri Paizis says

    30 April 2014 at 15:10

    Rotten apples are found everywhere. But the priest should study his Gospels. It’s sad that a negative public display is made of a large recognisably Orthodox cross. Just as people equate the Da Vinci Code as Christianity so will people equate this scene with the Church itself
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  5. Fr. Greg Blevins says

    30 April 2014 at 22:14

    New statement from Fr. Peter Jon Gillquist. Matthew Heimbach has been excommunicated pending repentance. However, it has become clear that this affair is but the tip of the iceberg:

    http://www.allsaintsbloomington.org/important-message/

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  6. Apuleius says

    1 May 2014 at 20:42

    Methinks Fr. Ernesto is just another leftist mino who dislikes white people and desires their elimination, political or otherwise. So that is what Orthodoxy is all about…who knew?

    Organized religion in America has devolved into a covert smuggling operation for illegal scabs to serve godless globalist corporations such as agribusiness with the equally godless federal government funding providing the resources for their relocation. Resources that Fr. Ernesto and other pious “Christians” covet very much, along with the proceeds they can extract from their newly arrived flocks.

    What wrong with a little covetousness among the holy? God does allow the less-than-perfect path, after all. Unless, of course, if you espouse views that contradict the real religion of cultural Marxism, which severely condemns defending yourself against two crazed leftists who attack you as you try to demonstrate peacefully.

    I wonder what Fr. Ernesto’s views are on Israel’s right to exist as a homeland for the Jewish people. Do Jews deserve a homeland Fr. Ernesto? We know you think that white people don’t.

    Fr. Ernesto knows which side his bread is buttered on, which is why he will stand with the crowd and loudly denounce this solitary man. Thank God we are not like this sinner is the earnest prayer of Pharisee Ernesto.

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    • John says

      3 May 2014 at 07:53

      “Apuleius”, your post where “methinks” various slurs, outright inventions and misc. conspiracies is a real classic of hate literature. It should be preserved. Not for any sign of Christian statement of course but as a teaching on diseased rhetoric. You haven’t said anything here more significant than Bundy “wondering about the Negro”.

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  7. Anonymous22 says

    1 May 2014 at 22:55

    This post is rather bizarre. You keep mentioning “code words.” Where exactly are these mysterious and sinister “code words”? Heimbach and his group are very explicit and up front about their belief system: they believe that the peoples of European descent should be able to achieve continuity through their own sovereign homelands. They oppose those homelands being swamped with non-white immigrants. They are also quite explicit in that they support the rights of other peoples to their own homelands and sovereignty.

    How hard is that to understand? There is nothing “coded” about it. It is of course considered radical in today’s politically correct environment, and agree or disagree, but it is quite above board and clear.

    If someone has no problem with the Koreans protecting their identity, or Tibetans protecting theirs, but acts as if this perfectly natural desire when exercised on the part of peoples of European descent is somehow malicious or sinister, then they are merely revealed as an anti-white bigot and hypocrite.

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